Here is the thing, everyone has known LIVE wa snot free since the beginning. PSN+ will be an unnounced fee, something no one will even think about. THAT alone will piss alot of people off. Think about it, EVERYONE knows that LIVE cost 60 and the console is 500. No secret, So when they buy that PS4 and one game then the PS+ subscribtion, thats $510. Having that thought in the AVERAGE consumer would be like, well ****...i should have just spent the 500 and got a camera that adds to the value. See what we are saying? Here is another analogy. Me I pay $100 a month for the max internet speed my ISP provides which is 50 MB down/5 MB UP. Do i NEED that speed? No I do not, I could just pay $30 less and get a30 MB speed and it will run just fine. Like the X1, do I NEED the KiNECT? No. Will I use the KiNECT all the time? Maybe. But atleast I know its there whenever I need it or want it
Xbox One Why 100 dollars over PS4 means little to me.
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Here is the thing, everyone has known LIVE wa snot free since the beginning. PSN+ will be an unnounced fee, something no one will even think about. THAT alone will piss alot of people off. Think about it, EVERYONE knows that LIVE cost 60 and the console is 500. No secret, So when they buy that PS4 and one game then the PS+ subscribtion, thats $510. Having that thought in the AVERAGE consumer would be like, well ****...i should have just spent the 500 and got a camera that adds to the value. See what we are saying? Here is another analogy. Me I pay $100 a month for the max internet speed my ISP provides which is 50 MB down/5 MB UP. Do i NEED that speed? No I do not, I could just pay $30 less and get a30 MB speed and it will run just fine. Like the X1, do I NEED the KiNECT? No. Will I use the KiNECT all the time? Maybe. But atleast I know its there whenever I need it or want it
For me it's because the kinect on the Xbox One is not the same as it was on the 360. I did not have one on the 360 either, but the 360 could not do all the One does with it. It is no longer used for just a handful of games, its tied to the device and user interface and allows so much more.
If you think about it and use the Xbox One "like it was designed and shown in the commercials" you would probably use it way more for "non gaming" things than gaming. I play games a few hours a week, but use the TV, play music, use apps like YouTube 10x more so the kinect will be used more on the One than a couple games on the 360.
It is also included like has been said as if all Xbox Ones have it, then more developers will build for it. As of today, the camera for the PS4 does not have a single game for it, only the one demo. I bet if every PS4 came with it, this would be much different as developers would know 100% of PS4's could use it not just a few that purchased it separately.
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Well, if we're being honest, most people who dont know PSN will stop being free, DIDNT know it was free before. Most people already think PSN costs money, unless they have a playstation and play online already. So that point goes out the window again. (I'm not as saavy as you, but i like to think i follow this stuff, and i didnt even know PSN was free until i got a PS3)
Also, you have the option of paying less. You CHOOSE not to pay less for your internet. theres a slower option. You choose to do the smart thing in your eyes and buy more than you need, in case you ever end up needing or wanting it. What if the only option was 200Mbit for 100 dollars more? if you wanted internet you HAD to pay that 100 more, even though you know the provider is capable of providing lower packages. Imagine there was a competing company that DID provide smaller packages.
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I disagree. Most people who I Know that got the PS3 instead of the 360 got it because word of mouth told them that "online" is free.
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$100 is not a lot of money, but not for everyone. On the other side, people that can afford such consoles shouldn't complain about just $100...
I agree with Knight. But no offense, you are crazy lol if you think that PS3 users thought PSN (Multiplayer Part) was not free your wrong. EVERY PS3 user knew it was free and used that argument the most on why the PS3 was better than 360. Now to conteract that argument, Yes Comcast in my area DOES offer the same speed at a lower cost (I think 15 bucks) But here is the thing that service DOES NOT stay at a steady 50 MB speed. I had them before and it fluxuates. I have had WOW! for 5 years and I am ALWAYS at a locked 50 MB. So a loosly based logic, here we go PS4 is cheaper yes, says it is a console for the gamers..where are the 20 or so games they said were being made during E3. This is like comcast being cheaper, but not keeping up with their promise on the speed. Now X1, there is NO arguing that the games are not there, because they are, and a camera we ALL know developers WILL use in some way big or small. Thats WOW! keeping my speed at a locked 50 MB . Hopefully i didnt confuse anyone lol
Exactly, Im not trying to rag on anyone, its just if its THAT close and $100 is gonna break your bank, then wait, and buy a next gen console later.
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Well, by using that logic... an X1 would cost $500 + $60 (1 game) + $50 (or is it $60?) for 1 Year of Live. Ends up costing more, and most people couldn't care less about Kinect so they don't count it as added value either.
Besides, PS+ being required for online play in PS4 is not unannounced. It was announced at E3, THE biggest event they could announced it at. Also, PS+ is a great service with its "free" (borrowed?) games anyway.
Even if someone IS dumb enough to buy a PS4 without knowing that PS+ is now required for online play, they might calm down once they see they get some PS3, PS4 and Vita games monthly and yearly. (I am glad that Microsoft started to compete with their own variation of monthly games and that those don't require a continued subscription like PS+, but their offers have been mostly lacking so far... better than nothing, though, specially since these games aren't the selling factor for Gold unlike PS+)
So yeah, I'm not saying you're wrong or anything but it sounds pretty farfetched to me
...then again, people can be surprisingly dumb, so I can't entirely rule out the possibility of people buying a product without knowing what they're even getting into. After all, I just read this gem in another forum:
It is $60 a year. The thing is EVERYONE knows...that is the key. Everyone knows LIVE is not free. While EVERYONE knows PS3 multiplayer is free. Go watch E3 again and watch how fast they talked about a paid multiplayer before they quickly switched to the whole DRM thing. If people didnt care about KiNECT, then why are developers using it? And dont use the excuse "MSFT is making them" lol I have seen that before lol. Wasnt saying it was not announced. I ment since alot of these people do not know about it, and I bet you more than half still dont know, its an unannounced fee to them. But yes you are correct about the free games. There borrowed. Once you stop paying, they are not yours anymore. Even though Xbox is having free games, some bad, some good, atleast they are mine. I would hate to download all those free games for a whole year like killzone, god of war, etc. then i cant pay the next year, sorry pal, give them back. Talk about I just payed you 60 bucks to borrow your games. So in a way..isnt that $60 to rent a game?
LOL yes, looking at peeps from Gamespot, Kotaku, Polygon, IGN, etc. they still think that multiplayer is free lol.
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By people not caring about Kinect, I mean the gamers. I rarely see anyone talk about how good the Kinect games are or anything. I don't think the blame is on Microsoft or the hardware in this case, it's just that the Kinect hasn't had any games that make it REALLY worthwhile. Most of the games that can only be played with Kinect are pretty bad so people ignore it. As for the games that are good and have Kinect features added, most people seem to ignore these unless they're mandatory. I think that's why people aren't sold on the Kinect. Ryse seemed to be a game that made people interested in the Kinect back when it was first announced, but as far as I know Kinect is not required to play it now. It could have been the game to make people think Kinect was worthwhile
I understand what you meant now. I thought you were saying Sony hadn't announced it at all, my bad.
I personally think there's no problem with how PS+ works currently. The games are borrowed but you can play them any time as long as you're subscribed. You don't ever have to "give them back". Even if your subscription runs out, the games will be there for you back when you resubscribe. Since the main focus of PS+ is the games, it's a very good service if you like how the games are given but if you don't like that then you can just ignore it. I guess that now the main focus will become the online multiplayer, but that doesn't really affect things too much. You get online multiplayer and bonus games for $50 a year. I think it's a good service, since I'm mostly in it for the games than the multiplayer. Gold is good too, in its own way, of course, even if I do find it kinda silly that some things like Netflix were (or still are) only for Gold members.
But yeah, I guess there will be some people dumb enough to buy a PS4 without knowing about the change to the online features. I think people buy too easily into hype and buy things without doing proper research.
The whole thing with KiNECT is people are judging this thing from the 1st KiNECT. Yeah it might have not been perfect, but no beginning things are. If they did do their research and read the new reviews or hands on from the recent conventions they would see that this thing is legit, no joke, and works WAY better than the original. Well anyways when the 22nd comes around, a lot of people will be saying other wise.
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The price difference between 360 and PS3 was a huge turnoff and led to poor PS3 sales out of the gate. Though the difference between the two is smaller this time around, there will be a LOT of people who buy the cheaper one for that lone reason.
Now, I can't afford either one. My ability to purchase either one will come with time as prices depreciate, so I don't really have a horse in this conversation. But when you are looking at the parents of a family who are financially struggling to get Christmas gifts, do you think they see the extra 100 dollars as minuscule? Those "few more steaks at the grocery store" are how they feed their kids.
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I think you guys are still missing the boat on this one. A lot of the these purchases are going to come from parents, especially around the holidays. For the average parent looking at the two consoles, $100 is going to mean a lot. Let's be honest, they aren't going to be that different of consoles.
For me that extra 100$ is giving me a voice controlled universal remote. I paid more than $100 for my normal logitech universal remote, you can't even buy a stand alone voice controlled universal remote so just that one feature pays for the difference.
That's to bad if I was a kid, but for me the added value in it's features more than makes up for the difference in price. the PS4 is simply a PS3 with better graphics the Xbox one is a complete integreated media device that can control my entire audio\visual system through voice command and give me a single interface for everything. People pay this much for HTPC's that aren't even built for gaming.
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Umm, I will address this aspect you bring up as devils advocate. I know a lot of parents who see 100 dollars more must mean its better and I only buy the best for my child.
Correct. As an average consumer is looking around the shelves they will see both boxes on the shelf...maybe lol, and see hey, for an extra $100 bucks the camera will go with this. Trust me, during the holidays its go big or go home. And I am not even going to agree with the "struggling family" excuse because not to get all political on here but every year they say familys arent going to buy as much and then store sales in store or online are higher and higher every year.
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